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		<title>Dance Bars Reopened</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vivek</dc:creator>
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<span class="postbody">With reference to prostitution, whether the dance bars are open or closed, the prostitution business will not be largely</span><span class="postbody"> affected. Nor will anybody be able to stop the girls working there, from getting into prostitution because the system lacks that ability. </span><span class="postbody">Prostitution is one of the most organized businesses in our country (put some of the bi</span><span class="postbody">g players on test and they might just get an ISO 9000 or other such certification) and only</span><span class="postbody"> lacks a legal sanction.</span></p>
<p>It will be impossible to remove prostitution from our society because it&#8217;s the society that created it i<span class="postbody">n the first place. How can I say this? A few months ago there was a report on NDTV about nude dance shows in the elite class hotels of <a title="wikipedia on Pondicherry" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puducherry" target="_blank">pondicherry</a>. Such places are worse when compared to those dance bars. The hordes of men who were visiting such shows were </span><span class="postbody">not criminals or anti-social elements but the rich, well-to-do and even the middle class people who wanted to relax after a day&#8217;s hard work. I am sure that if these men are asked on camera about prostitution or dance bars they will despise it and talk about how it&#8217;s a cancer t</span><span class="postbody">o the society.</span></p>
<p>So here is the society some of us want to civilize by closing the dance bars. Ok close the<span class="postbody"> dance bars and these girls will be forced to go to the private parties that many such men have on their farm houses and there the risk they might face will be much higher. How many places are you going to go and how many dance shows will yo</span><span class="postbody">u shut down? What media is showing is just a tip of the iceberg.</span></p>
<p>Do you think that when dance bars were closed, there were no dace bars operating out<span class="postbody"> there? NO. There were definitely a few dance bars open and working as usual. Needless to say, they were able to exploit the loop-holes in our system and were undetected or intentionally over-looked by the keepers of law (police).</span><br />
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What alternatives do we have for the employment of those girls who will otherwise be unemployed if the dance bars are permanently closed? Wh</span><span class="postbody">en we are not even able to satisfy the employment needs of the educated section of the society (of which some dance bars girls may also be a part but a majority of them are not)</span><span class="postbody"> what alternatives do we have for these girls? If they choose this profession, they should be allowed to practice it.<br />
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<p>Looking at the bigger picture, I do not think anyone can be blamed for the existence of such businesses. Prostitution is t<span class="postbody">he oldest profession in the world and dance shows are not far behind. It is the biological make-up and psyche of man that is responsible for all this and there nothing much we can be do about it. The arms of law are long and iron but it i</span><span class="postbody">s after all, blind. Even if you close the bars the show will go on.</span></p>
<p>I recommend that let the dance bars be, go ahead and legalize prostitution a<span class="postbody">s well so that some sort of order can be brought (including security for the sex workers and their customers) into this business. Not to forget the revenue government can make by way of taxes from all those people who are getting richer by the day from such businesses.</span></p>
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		<title>Legalizing Live-in relationships: My Views</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vivek</dc:creator>
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			</div><div style="clear:both"></div><div style="padding-bottom:4px;"></div><p><span class="postbody"><span style="font-weight:bold;">Update: </span>Keeping in mind the wide variety of people from various ethnic and cultural backgrounds viewing my blog, I would like to re-iterate that live-in relationships are no less than a taboo in India and hence this topic. Also note that the opinions mentioned here are my own and should not be used to develop a generic view about a place or thing.</span></p>
<p><span class="postbody">Persons who involve in live-in relationships are a part of the society and even if the relationship has no consideration for the law, the law and the society definitely have consideration for them. You see one bad fish can spoil the pond. Any incident considered immoral by law within a relationship (in an atmosphere like India&#8217;s which is always at dew point) can have dire ramifications. Yes it might be the same in marriage but marriage is an insti</span><span class="postbody">tution (Live-in is</span><span class="postbody"> definitely not) where persons involved are bound by lofty obligations and have greater sense of u</span><span class="postbody">nderstanding and patience.</span><br />
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Secondly. What point is there in a relationship if the obligations are fulfilled out</span><span class="postbody"> of insecurity or fear of loosing the partner rather than true love (which in reality is very rarely found).<br />
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<span class="postbody">Live-in relationships <span style="font-weight:bold;">might</span> occur to fulfill the Sexual requirements of Human Body rather than &#8220;True Love&#8221; or search for it. On the other hand people <span style="font-weight:bold;">m</span></span><span class="postbody"><span style="font-weight:bold;">ight</span> get into live-in relationship to observe if their partner is capable of satisfying their sexual desires (sounds harsh but is a g</span><span class="postbody">round reality in certain cases). In cases where the latter is true I have a quote to mention:</span></p>
<p>Entering a relationship for the sake of Sex is like buying a Boeing 747 for getting the free peanuts. &#8211; Jeff Foxworthy</p>
<p>If one knows that he or she loves someone why not go ahead and marry &#8216;em? And of course, if there are any problems in the marriage and one finds it really difficult to sort out things go for a divorce. To ensure that this does not happen, pre-nuptial knot is what many are following. In addition, one should not marry because his or her parents are forcing them. One should only marry they think that they are ready for it and do good amount of research before going ahead.</p>
<p>All in all, as Live-in is a concept developed by the members of society, for it to exist in the society without any harm to any member, the society must ensure that no room is left for Live-in to affect our peaceful existence. Therefore, the interference by law is a compulsion for the well-being of the people.</p>
<p><span class="postbody"> A woman becomes a Mother not by the virtue of giving birth to a child but by taking up the responsibilities to raise it. Similar is the case with a man being father. Have you heard about babies being abandoned in garbage cans or some abandoned babies being killed and chewed by stray dogs? Who knows&#8230; they might be the result of such a relationship. This again shows that the importance of law in such cases cannot be over-emphasized. Well designed laws can become the hand that saves or even prevents.</span></p>
<p><span class="postbody"> I never meant to imply that Live-ins are against our culture. Frankly I do not know if they are because I have little knowledge of the relevant ancient texts. </span>But I do understand that Live-ins is now a part of the society whether we like it or not. The very fact that we are discussing it on this forum shows the amount of significance that this topic has at least among the youth.</p>
<p>In the course of society&#8217;s evolution when radical (today it does seem radical, tomorrow it may be insignificant and widely prevalent) concepts like live-ins arise, it is important for the society to mould this concept in to a right frame as it matures over a period of time. And this is where I think the interference of law is highly welcomed.</p>
<p>The long and iron hands of law will ensure that concepts like live-ins, when they surface and threaten the society with unforeseen consequences, do not harm the society in a way that they are capable of.</p>
<p>A very sensitive topic I want to raise here would be the protection of women. When we do not have all encompassing laws with reference to the physical, mental and sexual harassment a woman might face in a marriage, what will govern the same issues in a live-in? I simply mean to says that the books of law have definitions for each of the above-mentioned parameters in a marriage but for live-ins the parameters need to be redefined and written down such that the judicial system appears to be on top of it and is capable of providing justice to an victims of luck who were involved in such relationships.</p>
<p>Updating laws will also help more serious and complicated issues like the sexual harassment of males by females (for those who do not know that, there is a clause which allows usage of the word &#8220;rape&#8221; with reference to a man) and cases of young lads being set-up and framed by loose women with the help of the concept of live-ins.</p>
<p>Moreover inclusion of law brings our rather old, rigid and outdated judicial system at par with the society and its pace.</p>
<p>With reference to the comparison with marriage, cultural issues apart, I stick to my views and believe that they cannot be treated equally unless the law is updated to handle the issues arising out of live-ins.</p>
<p><span class="postbody"> Law or legalizing are not detrimental to the existence of live-ins. Prostitution is illegal and yet it is widely prevalent. Polygamy is illegal and yet in this part of the country it is practiced without notice. Therefore live-ins which are not illegal (does not mean they are legal, its status quo), will obviously continue to exist.</span></p>
<p>Live-ins are in status quo. No book of law states that it is legal. Live-ins where parties involved are in peaceful co-existence cannot be touched by law but the ones where issues arise, law can be used for unfair advantage and that gives rise to the need for an overall &#8220;interference&#8221; by law.</p>
<p><span class="postbody">Another example to show the power of law:</span></p>
<p>In the not so distant past, law has played pivotal role in changing the mindset of the society. The best example to show this is the &#8220;abolishment of the practice of <a title="Wikipedia on Sati Practice in India" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)" target="_blank">sati</a>&#8221; during the British rule. Though we still have people, who believe in it, their number is very minuscule. How was this number brought down? With law&#8217;s help. Of course there were other factors like spread of western education and concepts etc but law&#8217;s role was major.</p>
<p>As mentioned before, Live-in relationship is a radical new concept and the role of law can be pivotal in the change management process. However, <span class="postbody"> I agree that we will never be able to legalize LIRs as the society is not ready for it. If all are matured and good, every thing is gr8 and no legalization is required as there will be no issues and we all know that. But if you look at the larger picture, it is not perfect. Had it been so, every thing would have been so cool. However, what&#8217;s to be done about the weak part of the tree???</span></p>
<p>One idea: To inculcate maturity amongst the youth regarding issues like LIRs, Sex Education at a pre-decided and appropriate age could be an option. It will help guys and gals get well prepared for facing such situations. I think it&#8217;s like mental pre-conditioning. Parents also need to have an active role here. This appears to be a much milder and much practical step when compared to legalizing LIRs.</p>
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